Star Wars vs. Star Trek

DonC · Senior Councillor Joined: Mar 30, 2004 Posts: 950

Krash · Jedi Knight Joined: Mar 20, 2004 Posts: 3495

That was a pretty decent job of splicing clips together. Even if Picard went from that grey jacket to the original TNG uniforms...I can live with it! Laughing

Enterprise better run from a Death Star, but I can't see them beating a Star Destroyer w/ fighters. (BAH!)

TheRandomMenace · Jedi Knight Joined: Mar 30, 2004 Posts: 1886

Yeah some of the editing was a little choppy but pretty decent for the most part.

jasconsolojediknight · Youngling Joined: Jan 30, 2006 Posts: 922

I like it. It was funny, some where on the net I came across a pictures of a Brog Cube that was going to fight 2 squadrons of Tie Fighters and a couple of X-wings. That would be fun to watch.

BlanchTheEwok · Youngling Joined: Apr 11, 2005 Posts: 60

Overall, they did the best they could, and I think they pulled it off quite well, even though it was a little pro-Star Trek.

Well done.

jedimasterElek · Youngling Joined: Feb 06, 2006 Posts: 133

i was rooting for the empire the enterprise ran like a baby

Ghent_the_Slicer · Padawan Joined: Sep 03, 2005 Posts: 649

jasconsolojediknight wrote:

some where on the net I came across a pictures of a Brog Cube that was going to fight 2 squadrons of Tie Fighters and a couple of X-wings. That would be fun to watch.

Bwahahahaha! I'd like to see the borg assimilate the Star Wars galaxy sometime. Very Happy

jasconsolojediknight · Youngling Joined: Jan 30, 2006 Posts: 922

I don't think they get very far.

Ghent_the_Slicer · Padawan Joined: Sep 03, 2005 Posts: 649

jasconsolojediknight wrote:

I don't think they get very far.

Considering that Starfleet was ready for confrontations with the borg, and still had a LOT of trouble, I'd say they'd do a pretty good job of the Star Wars universe (If they started by assimilating the Yuuzhan Vong, they'd pretty much have control of the outcome--I mean look at what the Yuuzhan Vong did without a collective conscience and regeneration abilities Very Happy

). Plus, the jedi can't really remodulate their lightsabers like a phaser, etc. Hmmm... That'd make an interesting story... Twisted Evil

Krash · Jedi Knight Joined: Mar 20, 2004 Posts: 3495

That's a good point Ghent!

I think a Borg vs Yuuzhan Vong confrontation would be interesting...bloody, but interesting. In a confrontation with jedi, I think the Borg would figure out how to block lightsaber blades, but they'd be pretty much helpless against the Force. Basically, the jedi would have to go Mace Windu CLONE WARS on them, without getting stuck with these namo-probe things.

Oooh...what would happen if the Borg tried assimilating jedi/midichlorian blood? Now there's something to ponder.

Based simply on design/purpose, I don't think any starfleet ship could compete with either a Imperial or Alliance capital ship. SW capital ships are loaded with guns and come equiped with starfighters for support. Something like the Executor would chew through the Enterprise in minutes.

Ghent_the_Slicer · Padawan Joined: Sep 03, 2005 Posts: 649

Krash wrote:

In a confrontation with jedi, I think the Borg would figure out how to block lightsaber blades, but they'd be pretty much helpless against the Force.

Explain that to me. What could the Force really do to the borg that they couldn't block? A jedi could only do a Force push for so long before tiring, etc., right? Force lightning, I'm assuming, is really no less of an adaptation problem than a blaster.

Krash wrote:

Oooh...what would happen if the Borg tried assimilating jedi/midichlorian blood? Now there's something to ponder.

Oh, man! That'd be really cool! Although, I'm not sure what effect the nanoprobes would do to the midichlorians, 'cause they basically rewrite the life-form's DNA, right?

Krash wrote:

Based simply on design/purpose, I don't think any starfleet ship could compete with either a Imperial or Alliance capital ship. SW capital ships are loaded with guns and come equiped with starfighters for support. Something like the Executor would chew through the Enterprise in minutes.

Yeah, but same as lightsabers, are the guns remodulatable (hey, I just made a new word!)? Sure capital ships are heavily equipped in weaponry, but what about shields? I think that Starfleet's got a better defence system. Also, it's not just Starfleet, 'cause think about the battle of Wolf where, if I'm not mistaken, there were Klingons (and possibly Romulans) with their birds of prey, etc.

This is a really interesting discussion, let's keep it going! Wink

jasconsolojediknight · Youngling Joined: Jan 30, 2006 Posts: 922

No sorry to say the battle of Worf 359 had no Romulans or Klingons. 40 of starfleet best ships went and lost to one cube. If you like to watch see Best of both world parts 1&2 of THG. Now I'm thinking that starfleet could take on the Empire bc of what Voyager brought back home. Hmm Transphasic Torpedo, Ablative armor might give the federation a way to try and stop the capital ships and fighters. I don’t see the enterprise taking out the Executor but the Prometheus(there is a ship in star trek called that ) with Voyager new toys would be able too. A jedi would have no problem beating the brog. A light saber can cut almost anything and unless the brog start walking around with better body armor I think a lighsaber will cut them down to size. Now I think the brog could adaptation to force lighting but not to force push, punch etc. Any physical attacks they would be helpless. The Vong fighting the brog I don’t see that happening the brog tried fighting species 8472 and nearly lost. I don’t think there just ready to fight another organic species But I’m betting on the Brog because resistance is futile.

Ghent_the_Slicer · Padawan Joined: Sep 03, 2005 Posts: 649

jasconsolojediknight wrote:

No sorry to say the battle of Worf 359 had no Romulans or Klingons. 40 of starfleet best ships went and lost to one cube. If you like to watch see Best of both world parts 1&2 of THG.

Yeah, I was referring to Admiral Hansen's transmission about Starfleet's force meeting at Wolf 359. He says something about joining forces with the Klingons and some Romulans possibly being on their way, or a possible treaty with the Romulans, or something like that.

jasconsolojediknight wrote:

Now I'm thinking that starfleet could take on the Empire bc of what Voyager brought back home. Hmm Transphasic Torpedo, Ablative armor might give the federation a way to try and stop the capital ships and fighters. I don’t see the enterprise taking out the Executor but the Prometheus(there is a ship in star trek called that ) with Voyager new toys would be able too.

Yeah, that sounds about right.

jasconsolojediknight wrote:

A jedi would have no problem beating the brog. A light saber can cut almost anything and unless the brog start walking around with better body armor I think a lighsaber will cut them down to size. Now I think the brog could adaptation to force lighting but not to force push, punch etc. Any physical attacks they would be helpless.

See what Krash & I said above. The borg would adapt to the lightsabers (and possibly the Force lightning). Then, here's my theory about the Force as being effective: The Force push/jump/pull/whatever isn't really enough to cause critical damage to a borg. Any impact damage that the borg would sustain (even fatal to humans) could be regenerated almost instantly.

jasconsolojediknight wrote:

The Vong fighting the brog I don’t see that happening the brog tried fighting species 8472 and nearly lost. I don’t think there just ready to fight another organic species But I’m betting on the Brog because resistance is futile.

Yeah, but they'd go after them anyway to add a new species to the collective (and think of how many more species they'd have assimilated, by then, too--I don't think they'd be hurting that much). And, now they've got the technology to conquer 8472 (who had one advantage being from another dimention, as opposed to the Yuzzhan Vong).

jasconsolojediknight · Youngling Joined: Jan 30, 2006 Posts: 922

I'm not thinking that the Brog would be able to regenerate that quickly form physical attacks because unlike phasers and blasters it depending on strength. Data was able to brake a Brog neck with his bare hands and then there was what Worf did with his big dagger like weapon. If you put a lot of force behind it something well brake. The brog could not adapted because everyone strength is different .I don’t see the Federation ever having a treaty with the Romulans and the Klingons to fight against the brog. Both other government are to involved in there own self interest and care nothing of the Federation except they have peace with them.

Krash · Jedi Knight Joined: Mar 20, 2004 Posts: 3495

Ghent_the_Slicer wrote:

Explain that to me. What could the Force really do to the borg that they couldn't block? A jedi could only do a Force push for so long before tiring, etc., right? Force lightning, I'm assuming, is really no less of an adaptation problem than a blaster.

I was thinking more along the line of what Mace Windu did to one Super Battle droid in CLONE WARS...using the force to remove every screw and bolt then let the droid just fall apart. Also, consider what Mace Windu did to General Grievous (which explains the coughing in ROTS)

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Oh, man! That'd be really cool! Although, I'm not sure what effect the nanoprobes would do to the midichlorians, 'cause they basically rewrite the life-form's DNA, right

I recall in one of the Jedi Apprentice books, someone tried harvesting Qui-Gon's jedi blood in an effort to recreate the symbiotic relationship jedi and the midichlorians have, but (apparently) you can't clone jedi. If a Borg tried to assimilate a jedi, would the midichlorians be able to resist? Borg are also part living beings as well as machines.

The weapon on your ship may not penetrate the shield
I think a Star Trek ship would have the same problem, Qui-Gon anticipated for the Naboo starfighters in TPM. Sure, Federation ships tend to focus on their sheilding...but SW ships focus more on their ability to punch rather then block. Sure, I could punch a guy like Muhammad Ali (in his prime) but would he feel it? On the flip side of that, if he decided to "sting like a bee" at me, I may be a big dude...but someone count to 10 for me, cause I'd be out cold.