Just though of something

Satxer · Jedi Knight Joined: Jul 04, 2005 Posts: 805

After watching ROTS yesterday something occured to me. Maybe the Emp did know how to keep the ones he cared about from dying. Think about it, Anakin survived being nearly burned to death, when in all truth more than likely wouldn't be possible. The way he acted when he found Anakin, and looked almost as if he was using a technique on him... Anywho plus think about this, IF Anakin found the power to save Padme and she didn't die could he of maybe not turned...

TheRandomMenace · Jedi Knight Joined: Mar 30, 2004 Posts: 1886

Well Anakin's main problem was lying to himself. What I mean is that he was telling himself that he was doing everything so that he would get more power to save Padme. When in actuality, he was doing everything so that he would get more power for himself. Yes, he loved Padme and didn't want her to die, but if he had enough self-control, he would have found some way to have saved her without empowering himself for evil or would have just dropped it as she asked him to.

jasconsolojediknight · Youngling Joined: Jan 30, 2006 Posts: 922

Intereting point!

OdinVII · Youngling Joined: Mar 18, 2006 Posts: 61

But, what if Anikan had actually gotten the powers to save himself instead of Palp doing it. Its been a while since Ive seen the movie and so i dont remember if Palp was standing or had a look that made you think that.

And just a random side note. In KOTOR there was a Sith Lord mentioned who could keep those who he loved from dying.

TheRandomMenace · Jedi Knight Joined: Mar 30, 2004 Posts: 1886

OdinVII wrote:

But, what if Anikan had actually gotten the powers to save himself instead of Palp doing it. Its been a while since Ive seen the movie and so i dont remember if Palp was standing or had a look that made you think that.

And just a random side note. In KOTOR there was a Sith Lord mentioned who could keep those who he loved from dying.

Eventually Anakin could heal himself. In Shadows Of The Empire, you find out that he would spend time in his meditation chamber using the Dark Side to heal himself. A major problem he had, though, was that when he noticed that he was getting better, he actually got too happy to continue using the Dark Side to heal.

And there's a huge flaw with the idea of a Sith Lord who could keep those he loved from dying... the Sith don't love. The moment Anakin turned to the Dark Side, all he really cared about was himself, despite his attempts to convince himself otherwise.

jasconsolojediknight · Youngling Joined: Jan 30, 2006 Posts: 922

I don't think that ture. That why ( my line of thinking) that in ROTJ Luke able to trun Vader back bc of his love for his son and daughter. They remind him of his wife. Now nothing along the line is said i just thinking that the point that GL wanted he just had to wait couple years to show it.

skyedancer · Jedi Knight Joined: Apr 19, 2004 Posts: 314

I had the impression that Anakin turned to the dark side because initially he was convinced that he could save Padme from dying but, that as he acquired these new dark powers, they became addictive.

Also he was still carrying around the guilt for not being there to rescue his mother sooner and saving her from death so he was determined he would not let another loved one die--if he could find a way to prevent it. Unfortunately, his way of trying to prevent it involved throwing the entire galaxy in chaos and tyranny!
Sad

OdinVII · Youngling Joined: Mar 18, 2006 Posts: 61

The Sith dont have a flaw of not loving. Honestly, its the Jedi that do. Anakins love for Padme is what made him evil. Palp promised him the power to save her on the dark side, the Sith.

And like Skye said, his powers only became addictive. Dont try to say that you havnt done something evil or bad once in your life and enjoyed it.

And who knows, maybe when Anakin fully shifted he gained the power to save himself and others. Maybe he did get it and had used it on himself. Or maybe heres another idea, maybe his hope that Padme was still alive and that he would be able to see her and his kid/s. Maybe his will for that to happen, to be with Padme the one he loved, was what pulled him through and let him live and suprised Palp in a way when he saw this.

Just an idea

Satxer · Jedi Knight Joined: Jul 04, 2005 Posts: 805

Well, My main arguement was over: did Palp actually know the power to save? It just seems that convincing, because him acting like he didn't know just let Padme die so it would anger Anakin more...

OdinVII · Youngling Joined: Mar 18, 2006 Posts: 61

Yea, sorry bout getting a little off from that. I tend to do that.

Anyways I dont think that Palp did. I think that he just wanted to use Anakin, to make him angry so that the Jedi, like Obi-Wan, couldnt take him away. He had plans and Anakin was the one that could do the best at helping.

TheRandomMenace · Jedi Knight Joined: Mar 30, 2004 Posts: 1886

Palpy didn't know how to save others from dying. He was just lying to Anakin to lure him to the Dark Side and bring an end to the Jedi.

jasconsolojediknight · Youngling Joined: Jan 30, 2006 Posts: 922

Maybe,maybe not he did come bad in Dark Empire. Clonning.....

jedi_bmack · Communication Councillor Joined: Feb 08, 2004 Posts: 1248

well, it seems rather obvious to me that Palpatine did know how to prevent people from dying. that knowledge was taken from his master, Darth Plagueis, before he killed him. that is straight from the SW Databank, so yes! Plagueis was Palpatine's master!

additionally, i don't see how one can truly believe that what Palpatine told Anakin about the Plagueis legend could be a lie. the sith never lied at any point during their manipulations. e.g. Dooku told Obi-Wan that the Senate was under control of a Sith lord. Palpatine never lied about not being a Sith lord when Anakin confronted him. Palpatine told Anakin that he killed Padme, when technically, that's exactly what happened.

and this was effective! there are times the truth can be just as deceptive, if not more, than any falsehood told. when the truth is unbelievable, it is very easy to believe that an enemy intends to do something else. Sun Tsu, in The Art of War said: [blockquote]All warfare is based on deception[/blockquote]it is twice as effective if the truth is more deceiving than mis-information. Palpatine did not lie. he manipulated people into action based on misconception. truly brilliant really.

-b-

fett_lover · Jedi Knight Joined: Sep 24, 2005 Posts: 347

OdinVII wrote:

And like Skye said, his powers only became addictive. Dont try to say that you havnt done something evil or bad once in your life and enjoyed it.

Ummmmmm.....maybe, but I did have the ability to stop and it was only for personnal gain...at the time....

now when that thing that you have done that was evil gets to far, being able to come back and change or fix the wrong...That is the way of the Jedi or the Light.

Being human, or bothan, or whatever species you are, and being able to fix your wrongs and get over it. That is the true way.

Anakin came back from the Dark side in ROTJ because he was a true Jedi not a true sith lord. He had so much good in him and was able to conquer his anger and hatrid for Obi-wan and that is why they stand by each other when Luke and Leia see them at the Ewok party.

Only truly good Jedi go "into the light".

Krash · Jedi Knight Joined: Mar 20, 2004 Posts: 3495

jasconsolojediknight wrote:

Maybe,maybe not he did come bad in Dark Empire. Clonning.....

Perhaps, but that's one of the areas of EU that falls in the "Highlander 2: what were we thinking?" file. Wink

I don't believe that Palpatine actually possesed Plagious' ability to manipulate midichlorians (create life/prevent death) but he did think that Anakin was powerful enough to "help" unlock the power. The whole scene in the opera was Palpy using the Plagious story to tap into Anakin's fear of lose and convince him that the jedi aren't the answer...he is. Didn't mean he knew HOW to do it.

"Your new Empire?"
I think Anakin's motivations went past just "saving Padme" and he got wrapped up in the illusion of control turning to the dark side offered him. Look at the scene on Mustafar (just prior to choking Padme) Anakin is convinced what he's doing is the right thing...but Padme saw the truth of the path he'd chosen. It never occured to him that if Padme saw this as wrong that she may have a point...his pride and arrogance over POWER was all that made his decisions.