Greedo Deleted Scene

Krash · Jedi Knight Joined: Mar 20, 2004 Posts: 3495

One of the more popular deleted scenes was the scuffle between Anakin and a young Greedo. In the scene, Anakin is fighting with Greedo...who accused him of cheating in the podrace. This is our first glimpse at the "darker side" of Anakin and for a couple reasons was cut from the film.

Do you think it should have been cut or left in the movie?

ExtnsvEnterprise · Padawan Joined: May 03, 2004 Posts: 30

I thought the scene was just kinda poorly done...

A similar scene, or one done better would have been really nice, and I completely see why he wanted a scene like this.

Krash · Jedi Knight Joined: Mar 20, 2004 Posts: 3495

I liked the idea, showing that Anakin had a bit of a temper to him...but that wasn't something GL wanted to explore until AOTC.

I did like the way Qui-Gon took on a very father-like attitude towards the boy, and would go along with my theory of how Obi-Wan was more like the older brother trying to raise the kid...after their "father" died.

Jade-Walker · Jedi Knight Joined: Mar 27, 2004 Posts: 1031

I completely agree about Obi being like an older brother.
It's like in Lilo and Stitch, though. It's a lot of responsiblity to have thrown upon someone just getting out into the world as an "adult."
I don't think that Obi was ready for it.
If you've read the Jedi Apprentice books then you see how much Obi Wan truly loved Qui Gon. He didn't even have a time to mourn.
Instead, he is saddled with guilt and the responsibility of trying to "raise" Anakin--not just any other Force-adept child, but one with unique and pwerful gifts. He would have been a challenge for even the wisest and most experienced of Jedi.
Instead, all Obi Wan had to work with was how Qui Gon had handled him. But Obi Wan was never a free-spirit or a rebel. Despite a few indescretions in adolescence, his actions were always driven by a sense of what he thought was right and what he felt was his duty.
Anakin, however, is more like Qui Gon. So to raise him like an Obi Wan was a mistake of Obi's inexperience.

Oops! Embarassed

I totally went off track there. Razz

I liked the idea of the Greedo scene, although I felt it was a bit hokey.

skyedancer · Jedi Knight Joined: Apr 19, 2004 Posts: 314

I think GL should have included some scene showing at least an inkling of Anakin's darker side. He seemed like such a nice kid in TPM and then in his first scene in AOTC we see him arguing with Obi-Wan about Padme's protection. I agree with Kim about Obi-Wan not being ready to take on a Padawan and I think it was unfair of Qui-Gon to ask it of him. Qui-Gon knew that Obi-Wan would not refuse his dying master's wish! Sad

Also, I think that Obi-Wan had a very different personality than Anakin and sometimes he just didn't understand him. He couldn't understand Anakin's continuing rebelliousness or anger.

Idgie · Visiting Jedi Joined: Jun 15, 2004 Posts: 14

I don't think the scene showed a 'dark side' to Anakin as much as it showed that he's out for justice,and his 'then they should be made to agree'philosophy.Naive,yes...but dark side,not really.I think that term gets thrown around a bit too much,especially with Anakin and in this case,it misrepresents the character.

Malo-ha · Recruiting Councillor Joined: Mar 27, 2004 Posts: 786

I think they should of kept it in or put in another scene similar. Showing tha Ankin had a bit of a temper would of been a good thing. Having a bit of temper is not going ovet to the dark side. It can lead there if you let it control you but at this point Anakin is just young.

It also forshadows a lot of his future behavior. That if someone disagrees with you its ok to try and force them to your point of view. And that he feels he has the right to be one of the ones to do the forcing. It also shows a bit of what he's gone through as a slave. A slave would be more likely to be picked on by the rest of the kids, an automatic target unable to really defend himself.

TheRandomMenace · Jedi Knight Joined: Mar 30, 2004 Posts: 1886

Quote:

But Obi Wan was never a free-spirit or a rebel.

Oh really?

Yoda:"He is reckless!"
Obi-Wan: "So was I!"

Razz

I like that the scene hinted that Anakin isn't so nice after all, but I do think GL made the right call leaving it out, because I think Anakin's transformation is more dynamic as a result of going from totally altruistic Anakin in TPM to increasingly dark Anakin from AOTC onward.

Beltayn · Jedi Knight Joined: Apr 18, 2004 Posts: 1712

I can kinda agree with Malo-Ha, but I have to say this: when I was a kid, anytime we got together for a backyard football game, playing war in the woods, racing our bikes or sleds or even playing D&D, there was always going to be at least one kid calling another one a "cheat" or some other accusation ("he tripped me!" to "hey, that bottle rocket almost hit me in the face!"). Next thing you know it goes from name-calling to a brawl in so many seconds. I was in my share of childhood scraps as well. We always felt that *WE* were right, and the other kid was wrong. There may be some hurt feelings (and a bloody nose afterwards), but the next time we all got together, it was forgotten until the next scuffle.

From the start, our fathers instilled in us the philosophy of 'don't take crap from anyone' and 'stand up for yourself'. We didn't put up with bullys or someone putting us down. (yeah, everyones aware of the fact that Anakin didn't know his father and blah blah blah. More then likely, this kid had to stand up for himself from the start, or else he wouldn't have survived long, especially on the 'mean streets' of Mos Espa)

Out of all those kids I grew up with, every one of them turned out just fine (one had a few minor scrapes with the law, but nothing serious). None of us turned into murderers or psychopaths (or evil Sith Lords Razz

).

Sure, circumstances in the movie are different then in our own drab, boring lives (it's Star Wars - little kids can fly pod racers and blow up starships for real (something we can only do in video games), and the fact that he's a slave places him in the catagory of someone who puts up with hardships). But the kid whupping on Greedo to force his point dosen't make him a 'Sith Lord in-training'- it makes him a kid, toughened up by his lot in life, who isn't going to put up with crap from some loudmouth.

jedi_bmack · Communication Councillor Joined: Feb 08, 2004 Posts: 1248

two things on mike's post.

Beltayn wrote:

From the start, our fathers instilled in us the philosophy of 'don't take crap from anyone' and 'stand up for yourself'. We didn't put up with bullys or someone putting us down.

while, yes, we can make the argument that anakin didn't know his father, we do find a father-figure in his upbringing. it seems to me that watto may have been the closest thing to that, and he wasn't really all tea and cake. now, while watto may not have shown great backbone, you have to admit that an acknowledging an upbringing such as one with him, even if it's sub-conscious, could make the inferrences that the deleted scene might have made as well. therefore, that scene doesn't really add to storyline and becomes redundant.

Beltayn wrote:

"hey, that bottle rocket almost hit me in the face!"

that shouldn't be funny, but it is...

-b-

Beltayn · Jedi Knight Joined: Apr 18, 2004 Posts: 1712

jedi_bmack wrote:

Beltayn wrote:

"hey, that bottle rocket almost hit me in the face!"

[color=#99CBFF]that shouldn't be funny, but it is...

-b-

Nah, it's only funny when it happens to the other kid; when you're on the receiving end, you want payback Twisted Evil

BTW- it dosen't matter to me whether the scene was deleted or not; I just found the topic amusing enough to post a response Razz

JediLionelHart · Padawan Joined: Dec 02, 2004 Posts: 74

I always thought they should have played more on Anakin's slave origins.
The abused often, tragically become abusers - we see this in generations of families where child abuse goes on. And people rebelling against oppression often themselves become tyrannical - a la Robespierre and the French Revolution. I wouldn't be surprised if this is why Lucas has Anakin's origins in slavery, but its not explored at all. Compared to the Jungian psychological depths that the original trilogy had, the prequels just don't reach any kind of lofty heights that Lucas was reaching for in the originals - tapping into his knowledge of Jung, Joseph Campbell, etc.